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Anonymous: Escemfer
 Saturday, October 11 2014 @ 09:52 PM UTC  


Weighing in:

1) The message is not meant to admonish, discourage, solve a problem, or any of the above. It's meant to make players pause before they post. We (the mods) still expect to deal with people who "slip up" on a case-by-case, personal basis, as we always do. This message has absolutely no bearing on how or when we moderate people, it's just meant to help us out by reminding players of the IC/OOC split in Banter so we don't have to do it ourselves as frequently.

2) The problem is not cuddlepiles (though they are a part of the problem). The problem is silly behavior turning offensive: stabbing and maiming each other, oral sex, and extended all-consuming snuggle parties are some things that have had to be shut down fairly frequently. The reason this is a problem isn't because mods and CMJ personally dislike it, it's because many players find it upsetting, awkward, or uncomfortable, and log out of Banter, or largely quit the game.

3) This isn't a problem with just a handful of specific players. The nature of this problem, acceptably silly nonsense getting out of hand, is that it happens with loads of people, in loads of situations. Anything can get out of hand, and this is one of the things that gets out of hand very, very often.

4) Re: Den's comment about a) encouraging players who handle problems well without mod intervention, and b) letting players solve their own problems without mod intervention: WE DO. Big Grin The problem with mods doing things "behind the scenes" is that nobody realizes we're doing it. Whether we're letting a situation play out on its own, encouraging someone for being awesome, or taking the time to privately explain to someone what the problem is and how to better avoid it, the community as a whole doesn't see this (and we're not going to try to showcase it, either).

I didn't really want to weigh in on this conversation, because I didn't think I had anything helpful to say... but there you go! Is it helpful? Decide for yourselves.


 
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 Saturday, October 11 2014 @ 09:55 PM UTC  
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Quote by: Escemfer

I didn't really want to weigh in on this conversation, because I didn't think I had anything helpful to say... but there you go! Is it helpful? Decide for yourselves.


For what it's worth, I find it very helpful. Thank you!


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 Sunday, October 12 2014 @ 01:47 AM UTC  
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Quote by: Escemfer

Weighing in:

1) The message is not meant to admonish, discourage, solve a problem, or any of the above. It's meant to make players pause before they post. We (the mods) still expect to deal with people who "slip up" on a case-by-case, personal basis, as we always do. This message has absolutely no bearing on how or when we moderate people, it's just meant to help us out by reminding players of the IC/OOC split in Banter so we don't have to do it ourselves as frequently.

2) The problem is not cuddlepiles (though they are a part of the problem). The problem is silly behavior turning offensive: stabbing and maiming each other, oral sex, and extended all-consuming snuggle parties are some things that have had to be shut down fairly frequently. The reason this is a problem isn't because mods and CMJ personally dislike it, it's because many players find it upsetting, awkward, or uncomfortable, and log out of Banter, or largely quit the game.

3) This isn't a problem with just a handful of specific players. The nature of this problem, acceptably silly nonsense getting out of hand, is that it happens with loads of people, in loads of situations. Anything can get out of hand, and this is one of the things that gets out of hand very, very often.

4) Re: Den's comment about a) encouraging players who handle problems well without mod intervention, and b) letting players solve their own problems without mod intervention: WE DO. Big Grin The problem with mods doing things "behind the scenes" is that nobody realizes we're doing it. Whether we're letting a situation play out on its own, encouraging someone for being awesome, or taking the time to privately explain to someone what the problem is and how to better avoid it, the community as a whole doesn't see this (and we're not going to try to showcase it, either).

I didn't really want to weigh in on this conversation, because I didn't think I had anything helpful to say... but there you go! Is it helpful? Decide for yourselves.



This is very helpful, as it helps clarify the issue! And you're right on 4. I don't think I emphasized enough that I have seen that more. Saying "more of this would be helpful" or "continue doing things that are helpful" isn't to say that "this stuff doesn't go on at all" and I'm sorry that it came across that way.

But yes. 2) and 4) definitely help. 1), well, I think people are saying it feels admonishing. Like Temper said, a change in lingo would be good and the discussion on the thread (at least as I see it) has come to the point of "acceptance with some alterations" which is what good discussion tends to come to.

...also I haven't seen the first two. Is it really that prevalent? Because man...


 
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 Sunday, October 12 2014 @ 02:18 PM UTC  
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So this might be my morning brain "have to put down an idea before it disappears from my head" mind going but I woke up with a thought and had to put it down. Because I want this thread to be constructive.

If this is the issue, it sounds like the issue isn't so much "roleplaying in Banter" but "players being disrespectful to other players and crossing a line." What about changing the last sentence to be something like "Please be respectful to other players and their boundaries when posting." I think something like that might help with other areas where players cross boundaries too (cause it isn't just in emotes that people do this). What do you guys think?


 
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 Sunday, October 12 2014 @ 08:20 PM UTC  
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Quote by: Denealus

So this might be my morning brain "have to put down an idea before it disappears from my head" mind going but I woke up with a thought and had to put it down. Because I want this thread to be constructive.

If this is the issue, it sounds like the issue isn't so much "roleplaying in Banter" but "players being disrespectful to other players and crossing a line." What about changing the last sentence to be something like "Please be respectful to other players and their boundaries when posting." I think something like that might help with other areas where players cross boundaries too (cause it isn't just in emotes that people do this). What do you guys think?



1. I think a notice --- in plain text --- right above the input box: "Please be respectful to other players and their boundaries when posting." ...is a great idea.

2. The wording, itself, didn't strike me as discouraging until I'd read some of the comments here, and now I agree with them.

A bigger problem, for me, is that it's intrusive --- the way it pops up, in stronger text than anything else on that part of the page, when I start emoting. The message it clearly communicates before I start to read it is that I'm about to do something wrong. It really isn't saying that at all, but by the time I read the actual words, it's too late. If the nun's ruler starts to come down on your hand but stops at the last second --- well, you've still been smacked by the ruler. The fact that I can expect this to happen every time won't make me stop emoting. It will make me stop participating in Banter. Which is kind of a shame, since Banter is where you meet new people and decide you'd like to story with them.

3. That and simply that it's hard enough trying to compose a comment in active Banter without something like that intruding suddenly.

4. I would also like to add that being respectful of other people's boundaries should work both ways. Anyone who comes into a community like this and expects everyone else to abide by their preferences --- well, that, too, is a form of bullying.

Er... I'm aware that that last statement may prove to be unpopular. Hitting Submit anyway. Pleasse don't take it the wrong way.


 
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