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Mongo
 Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 07:13 PM UTC (Read 9744 times)  
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As a partial replacement for the Railroad, could we use one-shot beacons as public transportation? This would need a way to remotely activate an individual beacon as in "buying a ticket to . . .'. If the beacon is on the active list zap to it. If it's not, 'Take my four cigs and add . . . to the list'
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I see this as an alternative to the excessive cost of keeping a beacon open.

Can this feature be added without messin' up what we have now?


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 Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 09:31 PM UTC  
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Well, this can be done already, but you'd need co-ordination between multiple Places. Teamwork, if I dare say.


 
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 Sunday, April 01 2012 @ 10:09 PM UTC  
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Well, this can be done already, but you'd need co-ordination between multiple Places. Teamwork, if I dare say.



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 Tuesday, April 03 2012 @ 08:30 PM UTC  
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Teamwork?! Bah! If you can't do something by yourself, don't do it at all, that's my motto! Razz [/p]


I call BS!! No way does this match your Signature!


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 Tuesday, April 03 2012 @ 11:10 PM UTC  
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Well, this can be done already, but you'd need co-ordination between multiple Places. Teamwork, if I dare say.



OK, This is good but there are situations when it wont help.

I'm in New Home, picking up my grenades, when I find out the Medal Police are raiding my mansion. My security midgets can't hold out much longer and nobody there has access to my cigs to fire up the beacon. I want to bust out a one-shot, insert my four cigs, activate the Crescent Beach Teleportation Beacon and get home before the rest of my medals are gone.

Now, to push my luck a bit, could we have a complete list of the beacons with the inactive ones grayed out? Just to make this whole bit easier.


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 Wednesday, April 04 2012 @ 01:37 AM UTC  
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I call BS!! No way does this match your Signature!

I have no idea what you mean, good sir. My Signature is of no relation to my motto. Why would you think that?
The joke: my Signature, before I changed it, was "It's dangerous to go alone! I'll come with."


 
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 Wednesday, April 04 2012 @ 02:52 AM UTC  
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I call BS!! No way does this match your Signature!

I have no idea what you mean, good sir. My Signature is of no relation to my motto. Why would you think that?
The joke: my Signature, before I changed it, was "It's dangerous to go alone! I'll come with."




Congrats! Well played.


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 Wednesday, April 04 2012 @ 05:44 AM UTC  
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Congrats! Well played.

Thank you.
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Buddleia
 Wednesday, April 04 2012 @ 08:15 AM UTC  
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Interesting idea. I'd be in favour of this.

One thing, though - the beacons are listed by the name of the house. That means that you'll need to either know or be able to look up the location you want to go to.

Most houses are listed on the LandReg, but there are some that aren't yet, and more will be coming! I'm in the process of updating, but without doing a full map sweep every day then I can't guarantee that no places have vanished, no new ones have appeared, and that none of them have had their names changed. And, of course, it's possible for people to move their Teleport Beacons around from one Place to another, just to confuse matters ...

My proposal, then, for dealing with this confusion: if the list of all Teleport Beacons can be displayed, how about displaying their coordinates too? (Hopefully, sorted by X and Y coordinates, not by house ID or something.)

So you might get a screen like this:

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Outposts
AceHigh
Cyber City 404
Improbable Central
Kittania
New Home
New Pittsburgh
Pleasantville
Squathole

Teleportation Beacons
[13,38] Crescent Beach Teleportation Station
[19,24] Riverbend (inactive - spend 4 cigs to activate and use this beacon)
[20,13] Carter's Cottage
[23,11] Sand Castle Hendrix (inactive - spend 4 cigs to activate and use this beacon)
[14,8] KIND Tower (inactive - spend 4 cigs to activate and use this beacon)
[19,8] Si Rios Springs
[19,6] Buddleia's House (inactive - spend 4 cigs to activate and use this beacon)
[3,3] Titan's Watch - Wandering Sands
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(With apologies to the Place-owners - this is a random list of the first places that I thought of where I remember seeing Beacons at one time or another.)

Or perhaps the Beacons list should be in two parts - first a list of the currently active beacons, and then a "Pay 4 cigs to activate one of these installed beacons" section.




Much as I like this idea, I do see a potential problem: this could be used to get into a private locked Place where the owner did not want you!

If they had at one point installed a Beacon - perhaps for moving materials and for future events - but had not activated it themselves, and had locked the relevant door or the whole Place to keep out the riff-raff, then they might be startled and displeased to find that suddenly they are having random people tracking mud through their living room!

Beacons, convenient as they are, are not automatically public property. (Many people offer them as a free public service, along with beds and hundreds of pages of flavour text, but we should not assume everything is there for anyone and everyone. (Indeed, that's the whole point of being able to lock doors, delete commentary, kick sleepers and boot visitors.) We do not have an inalienable right to teleport directly to convenient locations, lovely and useful as the Trains were. If a Place-owner has bought and installed a beacon, they should be able to stop others using it if they do not want it to be used (same as if they had made a private bedroom, we should not be able to pop in and use the bed just because it would be handy for us right now). Even if somebody else gifted a Beacon to their Place, they still have a right to not use it - it must be a keyholder who sets the job to make the slot, and then installs the beacon.

So ... there'd need to be something to allow for this. Of course, taking a Beacon out of its slot into the building inventory would stop it being used. But the onus should not be on the owners to re-stop (beyond locking doors) other people from using their things for things they hadn't wanted to share them for.

There would need to be, I think, an opt-in system (oh dear, more prefs for CMJ!) where keyholders can set the Beacon as "make this beacon available for remote activation", but by default (and for the ones already installed) they come as "not available for remote activation". And maybe this should be changeable if someone changes their mind.


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 Wednesday, April 04 2012 @ 01:43 PM UTC  
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As Buddleia notes, this creates a multitude of problems where agency over particular Beacons are concerned. As Collin notes, a group of players could easily put something like this into place and independently maintain it as a public service, especially players in clans that have maxed their buffs. Deliberately coding this into the game seems unnecessary and probably pretty imbalancing. Get thee to a cigarettery and start doing the legwork thine own selves, I think.


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 Wednesday, April 04 2012 @ 09:37 PM UTC  
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It is a good idea. It would solve my problem. OK, maybe it's not all about me.(OW, painful!)

If all the beacons were built outside for public use, I see remote activation as a necessary feature. This is as far as I went. As things are, the problems and confusion outweigh the benefits. Especially since there are better solutions already out there. I"ll just send Mrs. Peabody down the hill (1 sq) and she can recharge the beacon.

I'm good now. Thank you all for the effort you put in to my re-alignment.


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 Tuesday, April 10 2012 @ 08:22 AM UTC  
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Much as I love the idea of being able to teleport at will for 4cigs+1OST... Mongo, an idea: how about we compile a list of all the teleport beacons in unlocked Places/rooms, and ask people to say if they want theirs to be used or not?

If this list/map is publicised somehow (e.g. by the Classifieds?), then perhaps generous people will donate their surplus cigs to providing a public service, particularly to strategically-located Places. (Maybe a reward would help encourage this? Mementos? Kudos? A Wiki page in their honour?)

Anyway, I hereby volunteer my two teleport beacons for public activation and use. I love visitors.

[19,6] Buddleia's House (entrance ---> garden ---> barn)
[14,8] KIND Tower (entrance)

I suggest a GDocs map and list. (I have a map template, of course.) Or maybe we could set up a Form for people to fill in the coordinates, name, and where-the-beacon-is details and it would automatically create a list from that. Or maybe a Wiki page would be better?


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 Tuesday, April 10 2012 @ 12:01 PM UTC  
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OK, back in the barrel.

Budd, two key words jumped out at me. -Strategically located-. A quick glance at the map shows that by using yours, mine and one other I know of, it would take six more to have every square on the map within four of a beacon. This should be good enough for a basic Public Transport System. Anything added to it would just make it better.

I think a list of locations should be enough to get this together and maybe a map later.

This wont replace the Railroad but we do need to set it up and let it live or die on it's own merits. Point me to where I'm needed, and I'll do all I can to help.


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 Tuesday, April 10 2012 @ 12:49 PM UTC  
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Yay for ideas! Well, here's my thoughts on what this might involve and what we'd need to do...

1. Find Places with teleport beacons.
2. Get owner permission to use their beacons for a public network.
3. Decide which Beacons are the most important to keep active.
4. Publicise this public network.
5. Arrange for cig donations to the Improbable Island Public Teleportation Station Network!
6. ???
7. Profit!

Note: these can all be ongoing and will interlink to some extent.

And, of course, there's plenty of things to start thinking about and planning...

Re 1 (find Beacons) - I'm slowly updating the Landreg, but all help will be very gratefully received. There will be so many new Places to find from the Creator Bundles!

Re 2 (permission) - we'll need to identify the owners of each Place that has a Beacon, and probably send them a Distraction. Only a direct "Yes" from the Owner (or master key holder) of a Place should be taken as giving permission; a "No", a "Maybe", or no response should be taken as a No, and the Place removed from our list of potentials.

Re 3 (which to use) - lots of planning needed here. I've started on making a map and list so that we can keep track of what's where and who's OK'd the use of their Place.

Re 4 (publicise) - I'm not sure how best to do this. From how slowly the Enquirer moves, I'd guess that a large proportion of players don't read it. Perhaps some in-character roleplaying about it, and posts in Global Banter, and so on? A Wiki page can only take us so far.

Re 5 (cig donations) - this would need to be well coordinated, or there would be gaps and breaks in the supply. Also, setting up a decent network would be expensive. 4 cigs per gameday really is a lot of cigs to maintain long-term; ten-0r-so beacons is a huge lot of cigs. We'd need lots of very generous sponsors and contributors. (That'd be, what, 240 cigs per IRL day? Wow. I wouldn't even be able to do 1 per IRL day, considering how rarely I do jungle fights and DKs.)

Perhaps ... each person who volunteers their cigs could be asked which beacons they tend to spend the most time near, if they would like to look after a particular one?
Do we assign each person to look after just one or two Beacons?
Do we assign X people per Beacon to make sure that every strategic Beacon has enough people tending it?
Do we just give the whole list to everyone and hope for the best?
Who will step in if one Beacon runs out, and how? (Sending Distractions to a list of potential donors, going there to donate themselves?)
How will we check if all the Beacons in the IIPTSN are active and if they have a good store of fuel? We can't use all the OSTs - that'd just drive the price up and lower the supply ridiculously (which would kind of defeat the point of having a network for using OSTs!). But going all round the map often enough to check them all would become a chore.

Summary: it sounds like a lot of work.


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 Tuesday, April 10 2012 @ 03:03 PM UTC  
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Re 3 (which to use) - lots of planning needed here. I've started on making a map and list so that we can keep track of what's where and who's OK'd the use of their Place.


I thought I would need to throw my place into the ring, but you've already got it on the map! Mr. Green You hereby have my permission to include the Titan IV Rocket Hotel Casino Resort's beacon located at 20,26 in your figuring. Wink

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Re 5 (cig donations) - [...] Summary: it sounds like a lot of work.


That is does. Naturally I hang around my own place more than anywhere else, but that's still a lot of cigs! Not taking into account my future plans for expansion (beds, keys, new places, etc.), or plans for higher-level ranks and DK frequency, at this moment I could sustain my beacon for roughly three-and-a-half to four weeks straight. Maybe we have some sort of honor system where every player who uses the beacons voluntarily chips in for the next user? (Would be nice if we had a contrivance to check if folks came in through the beacon so we can show a page...maybe just house the beacon in its own room, I suppose, so anyone can see the message...)


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 Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 08:15 PM UTC  
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I have a place called "Castle Starfire," and I'll reply later with the exact coordinates. It's in the forest at the tip of the left cat ear just northwest of AceHigh. It now has a Teleport Beacon. I would be happy to allow it to be used, and the beacon is conveniently located in the front gate area. I'm a bit Cig-poor at the moment from saving up for beds and such. Yes, there are a few at the moment and there will be more.

So count me in as a public Teleport Beacon owner. I won't put one in my other place because it's only two spaces north of Kittania, but this beacon is really handy for Titan fighting.


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 Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 08:53 PM UTC  
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So count me in as a public Teleport Beacon owner. I won't put one in my other place because it's only two spaces north of Kittania, but this beacon is really handy for Titan fighting.



YAY! This is a good thing! You're on the map now. I'll take care of the paperwork. Welcome.


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 Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 09:59 PM UTC  
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Woohoo! The location of Castle Starfire, if anyone is curious, is 6,37. In other words, the left ear. I'll update my Wiki page.


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 Monday, April 16 2012 @ 07:50 AM UTC  
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Re 3 (which to use) - lots of planning needed here. I've started on making a map and list so that we can keep track of what's where and who's OK'd the use of their Place.



I would be up for lending all my Titans Watches with teleporter beacons to the cause; I went ahead and added them to the fine document you are. You have already mentioned the one at (3, 3), but I also have some at (2, 31), (22,3), and (23, 25). I would be up for adding another Watch at (2,21)ish to bridge the gap between New Pitts and the NW Titans Watch, as well as one near CC404, just in case the place starts breaching again. I also would not be opposed to tagging on some coordinates to the names of the places either!

Let me know how I can help!


 
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 Monday, April 16 2012 @ 04:22 PM UTC  
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I'd be more than happy to add one to my Place at 9,31. It's just one klick NW of AH. Just in case that outpost gets Breached again. And, if needed, I can add one at my place at 7,17 which is right in between SH and NP.


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