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Mogar
 Saturday, August 18 2012 @ 09:02 PM UTC  
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Ohhh Jesus. I don't think I've laughed so hard at eating food, well, ever. The CC404 restaurant is wonderful, and I really enjoy the new food system, for many reasons. Thanks Oh Mighty Island Lord!


 
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 Sunday, August 19 2012 @ 06:24 AM UTC  
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Ohhh Jesus. I don't think I've laughed so hard at eating food, well, ever. The CC404 restaurant is wonderful, and I really enjoy the new food system, for many reasons. Thanks Oh Mighty Island Lord!



Yes. Yes, this, as he said. Yes.

My God.

The Romantic Fun Pile.

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 Sunday, August 19 2012 @ 08:38 AM UTC  
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Of course it would be at 1:30 in the morning that I'd decide "Hey! I haven't done anything on the Island in a while! Let's go look at the new food system!" and promptly get confused by the fact that I now have a pan, am now picking up all sorts of greenery on the map, and now have to figure out what something called a "Daily Energy Requirements Score" is before I eat stuff. What is all this? Haven't a clue. To the Enquirer!

Where I stumbled across this post of CMJ's:

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I love you guys. Fuck the bloody lot of you. Mr. Green

I designed this new system so that it'd take slightly longer than your usual five sodding minutes to divine the optimum strategy...


...and was grinning like a loon by the time I was done reading it. Bless your heart, CMJ. I love puzzles, and this one looks fascinating. I just picked up a SneezeRoot and ate a Lasagna (Lasagne?) and I have no idea what that just did and it's awesome. WHO NEEDS SLEEP, RIGHT

One thing I already think I'd like to see changed right now (I'm so sorry I didn't mean to have complaints) is the text that comes up after you clean a carcass; the old screen that required an extra click to get out of is gone, which is really nice, but now the text comes right after the regular jungle text. It doesn't flow, and the result is really awkward to me. Is there a way to take out the jungle text, or at least have the cleaning text first, then a bit of transition, then the jungle text?

Yeah. Anyways, I'm thrilled, and it looks fantastic, and my productivity levels for the next week are going to plummet, which in short means that CMJ is awesome.

...But I still don't quite know what the Daily Energy Requirements Score is.


 
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 Sunday, August 19 2012 @ 10:37 AM UTC  
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I really have no idea what the Daily Energy Requirements Score is. And Omega, stop putting words in my mouth like this. That wasn't what I said!



That's stamina. The only unit regularly expressed in percentage points. No.


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 Monday, August 20 2012 @ 12:21 AM UTC  
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I'd suggest cranking down the spawn rate of SneezeRoot, or perhaps putting in a maximum size that a clump of herbs can grow to. Up around AH there's often over 20 and sometimes 30 per square - a double whammy of Lots Of Jungle (didja know that 31% of the map is jungle? Well, you do now) and of Stay Out Of The Woods, Thar Be Monsters Thar.

TwitchLeaf could probably be decreased somewhat as well. Over 10 is not uncommon, even on the busy paths between outposts. SteelSeed and ScroteWeed, by contrast, rarely reach 6 and are more usually 0, 1 or 2.

Meanwhile, the spreadsheet is getting rather full of interesting data! We're onto you, CMJ, you Sneaky Bastard... somewhat, anyway Smile


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 Monday, August 20 2012 @ 12:33 AM UTC  
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I'm somewhat near 2000 Sneezeroot and 500ish Twitchleaf, but only a hundred or so Steelseed and Scroteweed is my limiting factor.

Buddleia, if every recipe in restaurants require all 4 types of herbs simultaneously in equal amounts, the herb design is self-balancing due to weight. With 27 kilos of Sneezeroot, I'm not picking up anymore, and I'm probably going to drop my rate. Similarly with the Twitchleaf. Steelseed I need to make some trips every once in a while, and I'm still always scrounging for ScroteWeed, because EVERYONE is going to be scrounging for ScroteWeed (because EVERYONE is going to be scrounging for ScroteWeed (because EVERYONE...)). The need for Weed is going to make it harder to get, with so few growing spots in comparison to the others.

But if we see in the future if the rates are still true. Perhaps in the context of flavoring your carcass meat, having lots of Sneezeroot will be too effective. Or maybe the gain from a single type of herb is just not that damningly good.


 
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 Monday, August 20 2012 @ 01:47 AM UTC  
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Fred, why on earth do you have that much? I got to sixty of each, and stuck round there. That's been plenty for me so far. The restaurants don't ask for herbs that often. OK, cooking your jungle kill is more profitable now as I understand it, but still, you're going to have to be going some to use 2000 Sneezeroot.


 
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 Monday, August 20 2012 @ 01:54 AM UTC  
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There are 47 squares on which Steelseed can grow. 34 for Scroteweed, about 315 for Sneezeroot and about 148 for Twitchleaf. From what I heard in NewHome chat, they spawn at a rate of 2-10 per minute.
That means the chance for any individual mapsquare to spawn its herb ranges from 0.367-1.838% per minute! Now you do the rest and figure out individual Herb chances.

(By the way, stop collecting herbs when you have more than you need. Later, on, CMJ says he'll make them go stale in two gamedays. So if you collect them without needing them, you're wasting them for everybody.)


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 Monday, August 20 2012 @ 02:07 AM UTC  
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(By the way, stop collecting herbs when you have more than you need. Later, on, CMJ says he'll make them go stale in two gamedays. So if you collect them without needing them, you're wasting them for everybody.)



I wondered about that, but after my earlier premature beefing, I didn't feel much like saying anything. Oops!


 
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 Monday, August 20 2012 @ 02:14 AM UTC  
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There's no way I'm wasting everyone's herbs. These came from the exact place Budd was mentioning, the northwest expanse beyond AceHigh, and it was before her post. Several squares gave me 65+ SneezeRoot. Because of this, it sounds like a lot, but the reality seems that the game is just going to generate a metric buttload of herbs.

Beyond that, it's again what I said: I won't take any more than this because of weight limits. I'll probably stop picking anything but Scrote for my Unrepentants.


 
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 Monday, August 20 2012 @ 02:17 AM UTC  
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Oh, you're not wasting anything now since they don't go stale! That's just a note for later.


Also, it seems that you can, if you're lucky, get 625% stamina in a day.


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 Wednesday, August 22 2012 @ 01:51 PM UTC  
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How do you determine if someone becomes nauseous or not?

It was a new day, the hunger bar was between 1/3 to 1/2 full, and the first meal I ordered was a Sneeze Supreme. After eating I became nauseous, and it was the first meal of the day.


 
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 Wednesday, August 22 2012 @ 03:39 PM UTC  
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How do you determine if someone becomes nauseous or not?

It was a new day, the hunger bar was between 1/3 to 1/2 full, and the first meal I ordered was a Sneeze Supreme. After eating I became nauseous, and it was the first meal of the day.



You have to look at the mass of the food you are eating. Unfortunately the hunger bar is not telling you everything (you can eat and still have it at max yellow), but if it's down to 1/3 or 1/2, that's really low - look at how much mass the Sneeze Supreme is.


 
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 Wednesday, August 22 2012 @ 06:49 PM UTC  
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You have to look at the mass of the food you are eating. Unfortunately the hunger bar is not telling you everything (you can eat and still have it at max yellow), but if it's down to 1/3 or 1/2, that's really low - look at how much mass the Sneeze Supreme is.[/p]


I do understand that the level of hunger might be more then what could be represented by the hunger bar.

The Sneeze Supreme was about 3/4 of the mass bar. I would expect that it would first subtract from the hunger bar then add the remaining mass to the nausea bar. Unless of course the hunger bar and the nausea bar do not represent the same amount of units.


 
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 Wednesday, August 22 2012 @ 08:59 PM UTC  
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You have to look at the mass of the food you are eating. Unfortunately the hunger bar is not telling you everything (you can eat and still have it at max yellow), but if it's down to 1/3 or 1/2, that's really low - look at how much mass the Sneeze Supreme is.



I do understand that the level of hunger might be more then what could be represented by the hunger bar.

The Sneeze Supreme was about 3/4 of the mass bar. I would expect that it would first subtract from the hunger bar then add the remaining mass to the nausea bar. Unless of course the hunger bar and the nausea bar do not represent the same amount of units.



Yes, that's what it does, so one of us must be misunderstanding the other or something. To recap on my end: the Sneeze Supreme is a really filling food, so if you eat it when your hunger is low, like 1/3, it will make you nauseous.


 
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 Wednesday, August 22 2012 @ 09:27 PM UTC  
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I remember reading somehwere that once you have the nausea bar the chance of puking increases the more it gets filled, or so.

Therefore the explanation you are seeking might be that you got unlucky by filling up into the nausea bar and also puke at the same time?

I hope someone can clarify this Smile

Good luck next time!


 
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 Wednesday, August 22 2012 @ 09:56 PM UTC  
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Yes, that's what it does, so one of us must be misunderstanding the other or something. To recap on my end: the Sneeze Supreme is a really filling food, so if you eat it when your hunger is low, like 1/3, it will make you nauseous.



I think it's my fault here, what I meant was that when I ate the Sneeze Supreme, my character puked. I thought that you don't become nauseous until the nausea bar is filled?


 
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 Wednesday, August 22 2012 @ 10:21 PM UTC  
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... what I meant was that when I ate the Sneeze Supreme, my character puked. I thought that you don't become nauseous until the nausea bar is filled?[/p]
It looks to me as if as soon as your yellow Hunger bar drops to zero and turns into a red Nausea bar, you become nauseous with risk of puking.

Presumably the more you eat when nauseus (or even if you eat while hungry and that goes beyond filling your hunger into making you nauseus), the higher your risk of puking. Buddleia has puked once, and that was from eating one item which took her from about 1/3rd Hungry into just very slightly Nauseous.

(Gah. I still can't spell nauseous. Nauseus, nauseous, nausese, naousesu oh bollocks.)


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 Thursday, August 23 2012 @ 12:08 AM UTC  
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I really that a person is less likely to puke when the bar changes from hunger to nausea.


 
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 Thursday, August 23 2012 @ 04:02 AM UTC  
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Yeah, you see; if the bar worked in the same way as having red stamina and falling unconscious does, then when your nausea bar is 10% full, there is a 10% chance of puking. And of course, the chance is higher the fuller your bar is, so you can probably get over half the bar full without throwing up at all easily.


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