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 Saturday, September 08 2012 @ 03:43 AM UTC  
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After taking a look around the new system:




I really really hate this. Too much goddamn effort.


 
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 Saturday, September 08 2012 @ 03:38 PM UTC  
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I agree that it's too complicated, but then, a big part of the reason why I play joker in the first place is because I thought the old system was complicated (worrying about fat and nutrition? remembering to eat? I am not good at these things in real life, hell if I want to bother in a game), so if you want to opinion invalid on me I suppose that is fair.


If I could change one little thing about it, though, I would ask that fat went away faster than it does now. You can get to busload-of-orphans fat in a single day on ration packs, and it takes a loooong time to come down from that. I've seen a lot of people complaining about this in banter, too, so I don't think I just think this because I'm so used to joker I forgot how fat works- I think something about it has actually changed to make it more difficult.


 
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 Saturday, September 08 2012 @ 05:32 PM UTC  
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Quote by: Ada You can get to busload-of-orphans fat in a single day on ration packs, and it takes a loooong time to come down from that. I've seen a lot of people complaining about this in banter, too, so I don't think I just think this because I'm so used to joker I forgot how fat works- I think something about it has actually changed to make it more difficult.[/p]

*Waves hand!*

I too am still busload of orphans fat!

After many NewDays!

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 Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 12:49 AM UTC  
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Actually, I'm getting more and more interested by the new cooking system.

If you want just a straight forward routine, then I'd advise starting off by accepting that you're going to be fat as a bus load of orphans - always. It's probably not a maximal strategy, but it works reasonably well. Then maybe start playing about with foods with lower stam but lower fat and higher nutrition and take it from there.


 
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 Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 08:13 PM UTC  
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accepting that you're going to be fat as a bus load of orphans - always.




Yeah. Fat is much easier to get, much harder to get rid of, and if you don't start the DK with a Dan quest (or just starve) you're going to have the maximum level of fat for your entire drivekill.

First day of a drivekill, I ate 30 bites of tasty meat and one ration pack. I still had almost a full hunger bar left when I logged off. I log on again today (second game day) and now I look like I ate a bus full of orphans?

I mean, come on, really?


 
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 Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 09:20 PM UTC  
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Actually, I'm getting more and more interested by the new cooking system.

If you want just a straight forward routine, then I'd advise starting off by accepting that you're going to be fat as a bus load of orphans - always. It's probably not a maximal strategy, but it works reasonably well. Then maybe start playing about with foods with lower stam but lower fat and higher nutrition and take it from there.


Sadly, I'm getting less and less interested.

It's a pity, really. CMJ did all that work coding in the new effects, the hunger bar, the Nutritional Information notices, the random availability. Writing all the flavour text. And by crowdsourcing, we players (yes, I'm one of the guiltiest here) worked out most of the puzzles in, what, a few hours? Now we've read all the flavour text, we've worked out new (adequate if not optimal) strategies, and it's no longer particularly rewarding to try and puzzle it out unless you're keen to treat your character as a guinea pig of obesity.

In-game, I eat so that I have stamina to do stuff. Not because I want to spend hours travelling to search for herbs so that I can come back to the restaurant and have them cook for me, not because I want to solve a puzzle, and not even because I want to read flavour text. I'm willing to bet that a fair proportion of other players also eat primarily because they want stamina so that they can do stuff, rather than because they find it a particularly interesting part of the game.

With the old system, I used to eat most gamedays. From time to time, I'd deliberately go hungry for a few so that I could then load up on Noodles and do building (cig/Brew-efficiently). Now? Now, I hardly eat at all. Because it's a pain. Even playing as Joker so that I don't have to worry about fat and nutrition, even having killed Titans for req specifically for food, even having spent many many many gamedays combing the swamp and mountain for the oh-so-rare herbs. Most days - not just most gamedays/chronos I play, but most real days - I no longer bother to send Buddleia to a restaurant, let alone to clean carcasses and cook. I have 20 chronos, I hardly ever use more than two or three of them, why bother? It's too much hassle for the return I get.


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 Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 09:34 PM UTC  
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Agreed with Budd. Herbs are not fun, or interesting, at all. It's just work. I get enough work at my actual job in real life. If a food in an outpost requires X herbs, I don't go "oh hey I should go out and get those herbs!" I say "wow, fuck that, I'll just check another restaurant".

Now all the veterans just kill Titans, go to Ace High and eat d20s forever while the newer players are stuck eating ratpacks and being forever fat. Well, the veterans are forever fat, too.

Everyone is forever fat. Forever.


 
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 Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 10:54 PM UTC  
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Everyone is forever fat. Forever.



New Pittsburgh is suddenly that much more like old pittsburgh is.


 
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 Monday, September 10 2012 @ 04:11 AM UTC  
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On the subject of new players - I know for a damn fact that they don't play the game the same way as veterans do, because I watch them. They use targeted fighting. They gamble intelligently. They optimize the living shit out of every single facet of the game. The auto-fight buttons gather dust. The Rookies will be just fine. If you're able to get everything done in a game day that you want to, if you don't have to balance the benefits, if you've figured out the absolute best way to go about a Game Day and it's the same method today is it was yesterday... then as a game designer, I've failed.

So, yeah. Give it some time, get your spreadsheets going, and quit being so damned clever, you lot are gonna drive me bonkers. Razz



All right, speaking as a newbie, I have to agree with most of this. The auto-fight buttons look like a good way to commit suicide to me. I'm sure it makes no real difference in terms of how long the fight lasts or my odds of surviving it - but I LIKE systematically disabling body parts, it makes me feel like I'm accomplishing something. My concern with the food system was the fact that I don't think I've EVER seen any of this mythical black on my hunger gauge. Poor Jellybean is somehow both malnourished and fat. Now if all that does is lower the amount of stuff I can get done in a day then....I'll cook my half dozen bites of edible meat I collect a day just because cleaning carcasses and cooking are fun, and ignore the restaurants. I was getting worried, because I can never seem to find anything but crap meat, and even spending every Req I get on food doesn't get my bar to turn any colour but yellow. If she's not actually going to starve to death, die of malnutrition, or explode from over-eating, then at least for my first DK or so I'm not going to worry about it. I'm going to work on getting myself a map, finishing Stern's museum quest, and getting that first DK under my belt. I haven't even done any actual RP with her, I'm kind of treating it like a dungeon crawler at the moment - partly because I'm not sure HOW RP works on here, partly because I haven't really started thinking of her as a CHARACTER yet, and partly because she will spend WEEKS in one scene, left to the devices of my typing skills. LOL (Admittedly, that is an issue for a different thread...)


 
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 Monday, September 10 2012 @ 04:57 AM UTC  
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Everyone is forever fat. Forever.



New Pittsburgh is suddenly that much more like old pittsburgh is.



Good God, I just got back from visiting friends in Pittsburgh and I think you have just explained to me why they barely fed me the whole damn time I was there! I thought it was the fact that they were practically-vegan hippyfolk who do not understand how Skidgemetabolisms work, but now! Now I know! It's because they were trying to stop me from becoming busload-of-orphans fat!

IT ALL MAKES SENSE THIS IS JUST THE CULTURAL IMPACT OF PITTSBURGH BLEEDING THROUGH INTO THE ISLAND'S REALITY

(((I will never stop mocking you, Pittsburgh. Never.)))

ETA: Hi, Jellybeannewbieperson! It is nice to see a newbie on the Enquirer! I have nothing of use to add to that statement, save if you'd like to know how RP (generally) works on the Island, there is a Rookie Advisory and RP guide in the Wiki of Lies that quite a few people have found to be helpful in the past, it is here! http://enquirer.improbableisland.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=how_to_win_friends_and_influence_roleplayers

Also, if you are looking for a possible partner, might I suggest Distracting one Spark? I hear wonderful things about that lady, I hear she's funny and friendly and terribly, terribly humble. Also she smells wonderful, and all of her words are made of wisdom and joy, and when she walks, the ground beneath her feet turns to roses and glitter, and what do you mean, this is not the Wiki of Lies? Who is lying?

To return to the topic at hand, I like herbs.


 
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 Monday, September 10 2012 @ 04:07 PM UTC  
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On the subject of new players - I know for a damn fact that they don't play the game the same way as veterans do, because I watch them. They use targeted fighting. They gamble intelligently. They optimize the living shit out of every single facet of the game. The auto-fight buttons gather dust. The Rookies will be just fine. If you're able to get everything done in a game day that you want to, if you don't have to balance the benefits, if you've figured out the absolute best way to go about a Game Day and it's the same method today is it was yesterday... then as a game designer, I've failed.

So, yeah. Give it some time, get your spreadsheets going, and quit being so damned clever, you lot are gonna drive me bonkers. Razz



All right, speaking as a newbie, I have to agree with most of this. The auto-fight buttons look like a good way to commit suicide to me. I'm sure it makes no real difference in terms of how long the fight lasts or my odds of surviving it - but I LIKE systematically disabling body parts, it makes me feel like I'm accomplishing something. My concern with the food system was the fact that I don't think I've EVER seen any of this mythical black on my hunger gauge. Poor Jellybean is somehow both malnourished and fat. Now if all that does is lower the amount of stuff I can get done in a day then....I'll cook my half dozen bites of edible meat I collect a day just because cleaning carcasses and cooking are fun, and ignore the restaurants. I was getting worried, because I can never seem to find anything but crap meat, and even spending every Req I get on food doesn't get my bar to turn any colour but yellow. If she's not actually going to starve to death, die of malnutrition, or explode from over-eating, then at least for my first DK or so I'm not going to worry about it. I'm going to work on getting myself a map, finishing Stern's museum quest, and getting that first DK under my belt. I haven't even done any actual RP with her, I'm kind of treating it like a dungeon crawler at the moment - partly because I'm not sure HOW RP works on here, partly because I haven't really started thinking of her as a CHARACTER yet, and partly because she will spend WEEKS in one scene, left to the devices of my typing skills. LOL (Admittedly, that is an issue for a different thread...)




Eat ration packs! They are very, very cheap, and while they will make you fat like the busload of orphans, you will not be malnourished.


 
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 Saturday, February 09 2013 @ 02:07 PM UTC  
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As someone who wanders away from the island for months at a time and comes back to explore all the new stuff I have kind of a newbie/veteran combined perspective on this. My experience with the new food system was as follows:
"Hey cool there's new food stuff."
"EAT ALL THE NEW FOOD STUFF."
"Oh jesus god why am I so fat?! Ration packs, right? I remember ration packs are nutrition with no mass. They're like supplements. I'll just eat ration packs and solve all my problems."
"FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU--- WHY AM I MORE FAT?! Oh geez and now I'm dying of malnutrition. and fat."
"Okay. Okay. Restaurants have nutrition meters. Clearly everything must have nutrition meters. I need nutrition but not mass. Vegetables. I'll eat vegetables all day. Just cook up pans full of plants."
"Okay this is doing nothing. I'm still fat and still dying of malnutrition. WHAT IS THE POINT OF THESE VEGETABLES. That's it. I'm starving myself thin."
"Okay now I'm losing 30% stamina every day and I barely have enough stamina to actually cook the food, much less collect it. What is WITH this hunger meter thing?"
"OH GOD I CAN VOMIT NOW?! WHAT THE FFF--"
"Ration packs you must be worth something?! YOU MUST. WHY ELSE WOULD YOU EXIST. Maybe if I just eat one per day?"
"This is not digging me out of this starvation hole. Maybe I need square meals? Three per day?"
"...aaaaand I'm fat. Lovely. God I'm so sorry Shadowkin. You are having a terrible week."
"Okay. Eat all of the tasty meat that exists forever. It must be healthy. plus one ration pack until things even out. What in the HECK are these vegetables for?!"
"Make some stir fry? Okay these vegetables. Seriously. What are you."
"Screw it. I'm just going to hoard them. They must do something. Maybe I get a bonus or something for eating them. They're seriously doing nothing."
"Okay hoarding vegetables is helping me find supply crates. That is their new purpose. Supply crate magnets. Everything is wonderful forever."


 
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 Saturday, February 09 2013 @ 03:31 PM UTC  
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OMG I totally forgot about this game! Shadowkin, thank you for posting to this thread and reminding me you guys were out here.


 
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 Saturday, February 09 2013 @ 05:19 PM UTC  
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OMG I totally forgot about this game! Shadowkin, thank you for posting to this thread and reminding me you guys were out here.



What? How would you--

Oh... Well, welcome back, Jennyjellybean.

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Loving rant.

If it's any consolation, Mr. Joe I don't think anyone's solved Puzzle Fighting yet, unless you'd count being so powerful you just ignore it as "solving".


 
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 Sunday, February 10 2013 @ 04:42 AM UTC  
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/me hugs Shadowkin's leg. Mr. Green


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 Monday, February 11 2013 @ 05:50 PM UTC  
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/me welcomes JennyJellyBean back and...appreciates the leg hug? I guess?
My puzzle fighting expertise so far consists of realizing that it is better for my health bar if I counter incoming red attacks then to completely ignore them, and realizing that once all the enemy's bits are broken I get to pound them with impunity.

Back to the topic of food though I've discovered (Or at least I think I've discovered?) That some herbs apparently counter each other. Which is just. like. What.
I don't even?


 
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 Tuesday, February 12 2013 @ 04:42 AM UTC  
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Wait. Counter each other?


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 Monday, February 18 2013 @ 02:37 PM UTC  
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Seems like? I mean I don't have databases or anything, but I'm pretty sure last time I was cookin up some steak 8 steak and one root gave me something like 3.5% and 8 steak plus one root plus one weed gave me significantly less, like 2.8%

could just be that I'm crazy though? Don't ever count out that possibility!


 
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 Friday, March 15 2013 @ 07:50 PM UTC  
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Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that Joe's Diner no longer sells coffee?

...the coffee Jill buys you when you're a newbie.

...the coffee you buy [redacted] when you [redacted].

Everyone's Story jokes about Joe's terrible, gritty coffee don't make sense anymore!


Something something unintelligible gibberish something.
 
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 Friday, March 15 2013 @ 10:45 PM UTC  
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Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that Joe's Diner no longer sells coffee?

...the coffee Jill buys you when you're a newbie.

...the coffee you buy [redacted] when you [redacted].

Everyone's Story jokes about Joe's terrible, gritty coffee don't make sense anymore!



I so totally ignore stuff like that. In my mind, Joe will always serve coffee. He just... he HAS to.

However, in my mind, every single person's version of the Island is correct even when they're directly in opposition to one another.

I AM crazy though, so there's that.

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